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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptics our

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own episode number 112 for the well make

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up your mind I'll make up my mind it's

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probably the eleventh of December

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depending on what part of the world

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you're in it could be the twelfth it's

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very confusing i'm in the united states

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at the moment so time zones and jet lag

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are all playing their part nevermind

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here we are now on this week's episode

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we have an interview with george rub the

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singer-songwriter skeptical bloke who

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came over to sydney for the amazing

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meeting and did a big tour of australia

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and new zealand while he was at it

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following that a short song by george

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from one of his live concerts from a

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melbourne after that the welcome return

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of dr. ray Chira ports all about a talk

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she went to about vaccinations to you I

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wonder what that's going to be like hmm

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and following that the return of the

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think tank with special guest Fred

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Bremer all the way from Vancouver Canada

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now in the coming weeks we have many

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interviews lined up for you from Tam

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Australia conducted by our very own

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Maynard fantastic interviews I've had a

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sneak peek a sneak listen and your infra

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tree they really are top-notch also i'll

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be running around with my microphone

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here in the Bay Area hunting out

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skeptics and interesting people around

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San Francisco to see what I can bring

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you from this little corner of the world

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but for now sit back grab that nice cup

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of freshly brewed coffee and enjoy the

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become just desserts hope you'll stick

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around for seconds and maybe thurs

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cam lost rally just doesn't want to REM

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ladies and gentlemen it's it's already

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the tenth of December I'm lucky enough

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to be in a room here with George shrub

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who has just been he doesn't know what

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state country time zone anything using

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only 10 although I'm certain recognize

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airports that which is the scariest bit

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that as I walk through these airports

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lobster oh yeah this is the one with the

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Christmas tree in the middle oh this is

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the one that has the yeah the snack bar

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over here now since I saw you you I'm

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lost you at tam Australia of course yes

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then then you disappeared yes no

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actually I caught up with you and

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Melbourne after that right I went to

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Brisbane Brisbane then I went to

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Melbourne yeah then went to New Zealand

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did Christchurch you hit Auckland came

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back did Adelaide yeah then did Canberra

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yeah and then I've just come back from

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three days in Cannes Wow yeah warm warm

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nice though yeah nice not as humid as I

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thought would be people were warming me

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that lie cause human it's crazy and it

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was but it wasn't wasn't as bad as I

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thought it would been humid here really

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clipping out of the Adelaide do babe

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yeah how about that go figure you know

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yeah this a fan of the show is a

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reporter a fan of the geology podcast

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yeah I got in touch and said can we talk

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to said sure he brought photographer and

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everything ya know bunch of cool ones so

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so this the angle of the story was um

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your fans really made this trip for

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right right that it was totally driven

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by people that listen to the show

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completely that you know I said I'm

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going to be in this part of the world if

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you want to see me get in touch and it

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worked out we got six shows out of it

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which were each one was unique and

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better than the last and worse than any

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in its own way each one has its own

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little character and the one you were at

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in in Melbourne was the biggest audience

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that was about 150 people or so they for

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something like that yeah which was I

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said it at the show I mean I have gigs

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across the street from me back in the

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states with that ten people show up to

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so to be on the other side of the world

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and have a hundred you for my friends

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it's just just crazy so their sponsor is

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really good and it's so it's surreal

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it's sir

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it's all because of the whole the whole

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skepticism thing and you're working on

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Tam and all that and it's just it's it's

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led to it so it was neat the angle he

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took talking about luck because I sort

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of said that I'm very lucky and and this

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wasn't quite included in the article but

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I talked about all the sort of things

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that had to happen for me to end up and

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Adelaide talking to him yeah being

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interviewed that you know I had to name

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my name my website geologic records so

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that when people from dragoncon saw it

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they would think I was a geologist who

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asked me to do a lecture on geology and

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I agreed to do it and then Jeff wag saw

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that then said you should come to Tam

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and do some songs and then I went to Tam

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and that work that well and then I Mel

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you guys you know all of them all of the

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cogs that have to line up so it is luck

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and but not really luck because you have

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to sort of build on your luck as it

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comes along first time I met you is Tam

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666 yes and we shared a panel or a

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question yes yes the very last I have

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that have a picture of that I call it

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the skeptics Last Supper I have a great

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picture Adam Savage you and Randy

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Stevens la novela Banacek banachek

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remember I said that um lots of people

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yeah which is great someone took a

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picture of it and it's just as perfectly

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it's just this nice long da Vinci in

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kind of yeah oh it's great really we're

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talking about pictures some of the

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pictures that we've been getting back

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from fans from damn Australia just mined

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by well that room is so cool that you

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could have that you really felt like you

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were on top of the speakers you know

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we're used to tam Vegas which is this

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massive airplane hangar a flat yeah but

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here with the audience kind of right on

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top in tears it just felt literally

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literally arrest yeah well I'd my joke

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my pun is it leaves them in tears but I

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don't know it just felt like it was this

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community it really did because when I

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knew and I were shared the stage at one

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stage 22 right liver the productions but

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you didn't have to look far into the

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distance to make eye contact with

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anybody right now we're all right there

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and not to say that the room was small

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coastal wasn't it's just the way it was

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laid out very good yeah it just felt

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like we were signing some legislation or

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something some Parliament

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kind of things it was nice it was really

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great and so you may expect it to be at

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m9 I would imagine I believe so I think

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things are in the works nothing official

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yet but i will i will go regardless of

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whether i'm there officially or no

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that's not that's the story is an aisle

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go certainly out listen whatever yeah i

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may or may not be doing right it's it's

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it's fantastic but we've just been

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getting such lovely comments back from

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people who have been to other temps

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right in saying this one was right up

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there that was people have asked me what

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was different about this one and there

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was a there was a vibe difference that I

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sensed that was that was positive that I

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think it reflected no I don't want to

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talk too much but but it reflected some

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of the Australian character in terms of

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friendliness I want to know if it's an

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over an oversimplification or why but it

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was more because the American team can

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be a little vitriolic sometimes the

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vaguest am or a little bit a little bit

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pointed which is fun in its own way that

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can be a lot of fun being snarky Tim

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little bit more maybe not reserved but

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more almost educational or sort of more

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decorum and yes that was at first that

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was the first one yesterday I didn't go

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this last one but but and this to me

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just had this sense of I sort of said

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you know what we gonna do Australia said

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things really messed up in the world but

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we can make a difference yeah that was

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the vibe I God maybe not a huge

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difference but a little bit of a

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difference the the anti-vaccine the all

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using Twitter to get a major movie chain

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to not show a dress that's major you

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that Twitter is a complete waste of time

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like we all know that we all sort of we

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use it we but we tacitly agree that for

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the most part is pretty silly and yet

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here was here was an example of perfect

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use of it where the Twitter minions were

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put to work and we stopped something

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that could really damage people's lives

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from being presented in a major movie

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twitter is silly bum yeah and which he

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does room for that there's no that and I

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could I can I think that's wonderful

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yeah if that's what you want to do but

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when you really need something yeah

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twitter is um I mean the world hasn't

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seen anything like it right right and to

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start like that was one of the first

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talks i think that was I think that was

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on Friday well that's been effectiveness

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yeah right whatever they were but the

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start off everything with that was kind

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of like hey we can we can do something

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we're not you know yes we're fighting

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critical thinking but in this little

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that was nice and I think that energized

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people I know I know Pamela gays talk

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also people afterwards we're just so

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energized comments I have that about

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Pamela stool yeah I can't wait to see it

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on the DVD right because I was too busy

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running around doing fixing this yeah I

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caught the last 10 minutes that was it

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but but people just said that yeah her

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attitude fit perfectly with the attitude

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of 10 Australian how it was just people

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wanted to go do stuff afterwards and

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that's the best kind of a reaction I'm I

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think that one of the things that tamest

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rally also did was was it was like

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continually being punched in the head by

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a feather bag nice way in other words

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it was just this here's the next thing

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here's next thing and it's all good and

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it's all fun yeah yeah no nothing like

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everything was oh I can't catch the

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because I have to do this over here if

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you only look it I can't even I miss it

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you know and that that's really special

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so i hope i hope it can happen again I

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don't know what city or where who's

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gonna organize it but neither do i yeah

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I don't want to run it up I don't sort

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of it so what's what snakes on the

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lineup for Joe trava and obviously

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you're gonna go home and sleep for a

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week yes I'm trying to I'm then going to

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stay straight up tonight and maybe sleep

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on the plane and try to fool myself into

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yeah I realize you have us you guys take

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back till to Bethlehem yeah well I have

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a stopover in Toronto i believe for a

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couple hours no I think it's like 14 in

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Toronto and then

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three or five will be longer than 14 to

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Toronto that's true yeah there's 14 of

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Vancouver so there's a long time it'll

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be fine a long time yeah what's nice

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nice for me is I get to host QED which

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is happening in Manchester which is the

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question explore discover skeptics

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conference they asked me to be the host

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of that excited and I'm combining that

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with someone won the golden ticket from

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the trebuchet release I don't know if

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you heard about I did hear about that it

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was that on one of your podcast you

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mentioned that I think I was a sitting

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in right it was some some way was it now

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yeah there was an M finland finland of

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all places mica mica called me up and

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said i'm on the golden ticket yeah so I

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said okay and you said you know I'm

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there after that was the rule so and

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combined with that will do a show at

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micah's place but then a bunch of other

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Scandinavian skeptic groups have gotten

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in touch and much like the styrofoam

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tour they're just taking it by the reins

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and saying okay can you put your near

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that's februari like middle finger if i

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won lots of I knew I know where I would

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be in favor if I win lotto I right now

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that would be so excited yeah I've never

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been to to Sweden or Finland I was in

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the airport in Finland for an hour yes

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yeah doesn't count yes these are really

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to be in someone's home will be really

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cool i think i'm excited so aunt aunt a

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host to be I haven't I haven't compared

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or or you know emceed one of these

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skeptic things yes I think that'll be

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really cool that'll be fun yeah I I

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really had a good time when we did out

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I'll talk at am with the prediction oh

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yeah because you and I didn't rehearse

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one land nothing and I thought of myself

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I don't have to rehearse with this guy

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you're very nice to trust me but that

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was that was very true yeah trust me

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there's a blast i think people really

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dug it again it was a different kind of

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a thing there was fun yeah informative

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in that it reconfirmed that people that

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make predictions have no idea to tell

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you about um but we sort of had fun with

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it and people liked it we had fun with

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it and of course as we said at the time

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it wrote itself yeah because all the

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silly lines were written by the salute

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you think they have magical mystical

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exist okay and then when you go back of

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course apart from getting ready to fly

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to scan a navy you've got to get stuck

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back into

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logic vodka yep back on the podcast will

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start turning those out again and I'll

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start writing material hopefully for the

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next record wow wow well it's you know

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wow how the process that's how it goes I

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mean I've been seriously enjoying Trevor

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Jay and if listeners haven't downloaded

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trebuchet they can go to iTunes right

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you go to itunes but if you want to hear

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it for free you can go to geologic

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podcast calm and show number 170 is the

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entire album for free which you can hear

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it 70 71 minutes of music yeah totally

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free so download it have a listen to it

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and if you like it buy the obvious like

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one song can buy one song yeah so yeah

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then you can listen too far as far as

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you for often as you like okay George

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rob what a pleasure has been to ham host

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you here in Australia out of your trip

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my cousin it was one of the best ideas

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we had to bring you out I think you

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certainly were one of the highlights of

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town Australia it's very sweet and

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there's no doubt in my mind that you're

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going to be back in this part of the

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world before too long yes thank you

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thank you this true story this is for

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Russell up there all the people who

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i know you know i think i am the best

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was your mother proud not mean I'm still

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go

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thing i'll suck down

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for their friend

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and remove any doubt don't you

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hey

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looks can be a Chilean after all no you

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know you've been happy on where its ass

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forget I see myself as bald as that

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I was you there was some more than what

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you see your assumptions and you making

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people who would rather be by themselves

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are generically iso file up your

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assumptions you be the life of the party

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and I'll be the party

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I'll be the party

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no you know yet they bump intrastate

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don't stink sorry mr. Gladwell on or

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even blink first of course is that you

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become just desserts I hope you'll stick

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no she

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now

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can be silly

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looks can be concealing after all of the

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people who look rather be by themselves

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are inherently unhappy no we're not this

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is an EVP I recorded last night how you

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doing I'm a ghost what's up you guys

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can't possibly ignore that type of it

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who are you we're doing my own EVPs of

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the result of pareidolia I'm cross

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modulation combined with listeners hopes

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and expectations what does this have to

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do with science I think you just got

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skipped a free phone well skeptically

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now it's time for dr. Richie reports

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with dr. Rachel Dunlop hello listeners

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and welcome to dr. Richie reports well

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this week I attended a seminar from a

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pediatric chiropractor nimrod whiner

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entitled vaccinations make an informed

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decision now this sounds like a loaded

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title doesn't it and it was as you're

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about to find out so to set the scene

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the audience consisted of about 20

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people mostly women several pregnant and

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assorted couples with very young babies

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most under the age of two gurgling in

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the background weina started by saying

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that he was going to provide us with

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both sides of the story to vaccination

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he acknowledged that vaccination is an

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emotive issue but he asked that we do

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not let our emotions get in the way and

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he was happy for dissenting views to be

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aired but he would respect people for

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their views he also said that he had

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been called anti-vaccination after

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giving some of his lectures but that he

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was no such thing so after detailing his

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qualifications which include a master's

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in chiropractic and units of pediatric

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chiropractic Nimrod emphasized he would

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stick to the science about vaccinations

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in an effort to arm parents with the

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ability to ask the right questions and

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weigh up the evidence from both sides he

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said he approached his research from a

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logical and rational point of view and

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his aim was to empower parents to make a

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good decision he was also going to

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explain to us just how safe the diseases

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we vaccinate against actually are so so

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far this was sounding pretty

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anti-vaccination to me I had so many red

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flags up it could have been a flag

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convention or something like that but

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finally we got onto vaccines but his

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talk was still peppered with phrases

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such as leave out emotions and

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propaganda respect critical thinking and

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analysis yet then he immediately

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followed this with things like

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information about vaccines is laden with

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propaganda now why not continue to

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emphasize that his information is based

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on current research and science and

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further he has spent more than a hundred

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hours on this topic alone

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well I reckon if you can count the

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number of hours you have spent on a

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topic that you haven't spent nearly

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enough and it doesn't matter if you

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spent more than a hundred hours if

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you've read the wrong information from

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the likes of Joseph Mercola Mike Adams

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or the avn then you're not going to

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glean anything based on current research

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and science by the time we finish one of

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them proposed something interesting he

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said that no criticisms were allowed

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from the audience without an

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accompanying suggestion for improvement

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but we'll get on to that a little bit

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later it was here that I began to tell

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you the number of times that wine is

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said or referred to vaccines as injected

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into the bloodstream granted the first

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time he did mention this he said

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straight into the blood or a muscle but

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then I ticked off at least six mentions

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of injected into the blood anti-vaxxers

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love to do this because it sounds so

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scary and evil this is a misleading

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statement because vaccines are not

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injected directly into the bloodstream

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so then we got some of the old aunt I've

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xclass it can arts including no one

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knows how long vaccines last there is no

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guarantee of their effectiveness

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antibodies play no role in immunity and

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these diseases are designed to come into

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our bodies when we are kids plus

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vaccines have never been tested winer

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then went on to talk about pseudoscience

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lack of ethics and negligence associated

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with vaccine manufacturers and

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government health bodies now some of his

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points here were quite valid such as big

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farmer test the vaccines they make hence

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there is a propensity to bias some

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government advisers have links to big

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pharma suggesting a conflict of interest

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and the TGA either Therapeutic Goods

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Administration doesn't independently

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test drugs but then he went and undid

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all his good work by saying something

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like no lot of vaccines have ever been

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recalled for increased adverse reactions

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lots that may have caused harm in

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children they have never been taken off

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the shelf in the whole history of the

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world this has never happened oh except

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in Western Australia with the recent flu

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vax reaction scare so why not scared

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parents into thinking that vaccine

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matches that may be faulty or cause

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increased adverse reactions are never

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ever recalled except that one time when

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they were he also claimed that parents

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are not told what to expect after

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vaccination now I'm pretty sure everyone

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is told what to expect and even made to

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wait for at least 15 minutes in case of

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an immediate adverse event so one of

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incited deaths from vaccine-preventable

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diseases in Australia in the last decade

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and proposed reasons for the cause of

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death since apparently the vaccine

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preventable disease wasn't the cause of

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death he then suggested that since the

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vaccination status of the Dead was

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unknown these people may have had other

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illnesses that contributed to their

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death also there may have been

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Aboriginal which is the population of

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people that suffer a greater incidence

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of disease in the rest of the country

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they may have lived in unsanitary

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conditions and perhaps they were in

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refugee camps so in other words any

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number of explanations including they

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were somehow living in squalid refugee

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camps in Australia could explain their

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death from vaccine-preventable diseases

541
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because it certainly wasn't the disease

542
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that killed them so as we moved into

543
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vaccine ingredients I felt as if I was

544
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reading the avians page or something

545
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from Joseph Mercola as wine are listed

546
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all the scary chemicals in vaccines

547
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there was no acknowledgement that the

548
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poison is in the dose meaning small

549
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amounts of toxic substances are not

550
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necessarily poisonous neither did he

551
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mention that there are two types of

552
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mercury the one that's in vaccines is

553
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much less toxic and doesn't

554
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bioaccumulate we also got the usual

555
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suspects such as aborted human fetus and

556
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he described in detail how aborted human

557
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fetus apparently ends up in the vaccine

558
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at the end of the processing which is

559
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completely untrue we also got foam

560
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aerosol aluminium bacteria formaldehyde

561
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anti-freeze etc etc we were also

562
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reminded that although scientists say

563
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that vaccines are safe they also said

564
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the same thing about asbestos cigarettes

565
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and thalidomide so as expected the old

566
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vaccines cause autism showboat was

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rolled out several times

568
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and when myself and my colleague

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politely pointed out that whiners should

570
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probably not be using wakefield Lancet

571
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paper as evidence for such he insisted

572
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that the science in the wakeful paper

573
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was still valid according to him

574
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Wakefield was only in trouble for two

575
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things in regards to that paper he

576
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didn't have ethics for taking the

577
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birthday party blood and he paid the

578
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children for the blood otherwise he

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claimed it was solid science when my

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colleague gently pointed out that you

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generally have to do more than that to

582
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get struck off the UK Medical register

583
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weina said this was a political maneuver

584
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:11,509
so during this discussion whiner also

585
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stated that he had read The Lancet paper

586
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well I propose he didn't read it

587
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properly because in his summary he wrote

588
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that it showed a link between MMR the

589
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vaccine and autism but The Lancet paper

590
00:25:28,330 --> 00:25:25,639
doesn't address a connection between MMR

591
00:25:31,139 --> 00:25:28,340
and autism this was suggested at a press

592
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conference after the paper was published

593
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now when both my colleague and I

594
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informed whiner that Wakefield was paid

595
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by lawyers to show a link between MMR

596
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and autism and that he had a patent

597
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:43,279
pending on a single measles vaccine wine

598
00:25:47,859 --> 00:25:44,960
acclaimed he did not know anything about

599
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this so whilst he was quite happy to

600
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throw mud at big farmer for bias

601
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pseudoscience and vested interests these

602
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same rules apparently do not apply to

603
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Wakefield in fact the Wakefield in the

604
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room was addressed several times once by

605
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a lady inquiring about the Danish study

606
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which was done on all children born in

607
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Denmark between January 1991 and

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December 1998 and it provided strong

609
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:11,929
evidence against the hypothesis that MMR

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causes autism wanna said he had not

611
00:26:19,749 --> 00:26:16,700
heard of this study either but he would

612
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:19,759
it be happy to see a copy then there was

613
00:26:24,580 --> 00:26:22,129
more vaccines cause autism evidence from

614
00:26:27,849 --> 00:26:24,590
winer in the form of an american dental

615
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association video showing a neuron dying

616
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in cell culture when incubated with

617
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mercury however the dose of mercury was

618
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not specified how a cell in a dish is

619
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relevant to a child's brain was not

620
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discussed and fortunately for us the

621
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video stopped working halfway through we

622
00:26:46,540 --> 00:26:44,809
were then told that vaccines are

623
00:26:50,650 --> 00:26:46,550
associated with shaken baby syndrome

624
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:50,660
Sid's a DD asthma MS suppress the immune

625
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:54,170
system and shift the balance for life we

626
00:26:57,940 --> 00:26:55,850
were told that polio has not been

627
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eradicated in many countries but has

628
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simply been renamed I assume in an

629
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attempt to hide the ineffectiveness of

630
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the vaccine by big farmer as flustered

631
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aseptic meningitis or a septic

632
00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:10,400
meningitis we were also told that one in

633
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:11,990
two people now have a chronic disease

634
00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:15,050
herd immunity doesn't exist and most

635
00:27:19,210 --> 00:27:17,030
childhood illnesses are self-limiting

636
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:19,220
rarely dangerous and have few serious

637
00:27:25,420 --> 00:27:23,090
consequences so after listening to this

638
00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:25,430
propaganda for two hours and asking a

639
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:27,320
few polite questions here and there I

640
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:30,410
decided to offer whiner some criticism

641
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:32,210
with an accompanying suggestion for

642
00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:35,810
improvement I asked why not why he

643
00:27:39,870 --> 00:27:37,340
didn't tell us from the very beginning

644
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:39,880
that he was against vaccination I

645
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:42,320
suggested that he had not shown anything

646
00:27:46,570 --> 00:27:44,210
about the risk-benefit ratio of

647
00:27:48,550 --> 00:27:46,580
vaccination that is the risk of getting

648
00:27:50,650 --> 00:27:48,560
an adverse reaction to our vaccine is

649
00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:50,660
tiny compared to the risks associated

650
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:53,750
with the disease he said he was not

651
00:27:58,270 --> 00:27:56,030
anti-vaccination but admitted that he

652
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would not choose to vaccinate my

653
00:28:02,260 --> 00:28:00,440
suggestion for improvement therefore was

654
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:02,270
and he informed people from the very

655
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:05,230
beginning that he is against vaccination

656
00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:08,330
my second criticism was that nowhere in

657
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:10,220
his seminar had he addressed the issue

658
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:12,710
of the seriousness of childhood diseases

659
00:28:17,740 --> 00:28:15,320
and that as a pediatric chiropractor it

660
00:28:19,780 --> 00:28:17,750
was irresponsible not to inform a room

661
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:19,790
full of mums holding babies and pregnant

662
00:28:24,250 --> 00:28:21,770
women that there is currently an

663
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:24,260
epidemic of pertussis and pertussis

664
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,770
killed babies I suggested to whiner that

665
00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:29,600
he had glossed over the seriousness of

666
00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:32,030
this disease and others and whilst he

667
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:33,350
spent a lot of time talking about

668
00:28:38,050 --> 00:28:35,810
vaccine reactions he didn't even mention

669
00:28:40,750 --> 00:28:38,060
that in babies under the age of two

670
00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:40,760
pertussis can be fatal at worst and at

671
00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:42,950
best have complications such as

672
00:28:51,010 --> 00:28:47,240
pneumonia broken ribs hernias vomiting

673
00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:51,020
after coughing etc my suggestion for

674
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:53,030
improvement was that when there is an

675
00:28:57,130 --> 00:28:54,650
epidemic of a vaccine preventable

676
00:28:58,510 --> 00:28:57,140
disease in our community he might remind

677
00:29:00,159 --> 00:28:58,520
parents that they should not only

678
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:00,169
vaccinate their children

679
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:02,710
but get their own booster shots as well

680
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:05,570
my final criticism was that he said that

681
00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:07,970
vaccines don't work because I can still

682
00:29:12,909 --> 00:29:10,149
get the disease even if I am vaccinated

683
00:29:14,859 --> 00:29:12,919
my suggestion for improvement was that

684
00:29:17,229 --> 00:29:14,869
although a vaccine is not a force field

685
00:29:20,409 --> 00:29:17,239
it can significantly reduce the severity

686
00:29:22,570 --> 00:29:20,419
of disease so in kids who have had two

687
00:29:24,369 --> 00:29:22,580
or three shots for pertussis they can

688
00:29:26,379 --> 00:29:24,379
still get the disease but they have a

689
00:29:29,109 --> 00:29:26,389
reduced risk of getting complications

690
00:29:30,879 --> 00:29:29,119
and suffering a long term effects it was

691
00:29:32,619 --> 00:29:30,889
at this point that a discussion ensued

692
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:32,629
around the room in which one pregnant

693
00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:34,730
lady asked whiner if there was a cure

694
00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:37,190
for whooping cough she looked over to me

695
00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:39,700
I shook my head and whiner confirm this

696
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,470
she then asked whiner which vaccines

697
00:29:46,779 --> 00:29:44,480
were important and which you could skip

698
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:46,789
as she listed them off she said one

699
00:29:51,070 --> 00:29:48,769
thing that made me pause she said

700
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:51,080
something like obviously I can't skip

701
00:29:56,349 --> 00:29:53,090
the pertussis vaccine that disease

702
00:29:59,139 --> 00:29:56,359
sounds really bad so maybe we achieved

703
00:30:00,849 --> 00:29:59,149
something today for a pediatric

704
00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:00,859
chiropractor I couldn't be more

705
00:30:05,099 --> 00:30:03,470
disappointed in Nimrod whiner he's a

706
00:30:07,479 --> 00:30:05,109
smart man who has studied extensively

707
00:30:09,369 --> 00:30:07,489
but he sat in a room filled almost

708
00:30:11,769 --> 00:30:09,379
exclusively with pregnant women and

709
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:11,779
parents with babies and scared them into

710
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:14,330
not vaccinating he told them never to

711
00:30:18,430 --> 00:30:16,129
get vaccinated if they are pregnant no

712
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:18,440
matter what they tell you he cited

713
00:30:21,609 --> 00:30:19,970
studies that have been struck from the

714
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:21,619
literature because they were found to be

715
00:30:26,169 --> 00:30:23,570
fraudulent and he defended them when

716
00:30:28,210 --> 00:30:26,179
questioned in the middle of a pertussis

717
00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:28,220
epidemic in which at least three babies

718
00:30:32,889 --> 00:30:30,590
have died in Australia and ten have died

719
00:30:35,229 --> 00:30:32,899
in America he told parents that

720
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:35,239
childhood diseases are self-limiting and

721
00:30:39,249 --> 00:30:37,730
not very harmful but worst of all as we

722
00:30:41,139 --> 00:30:39,259
were gathering our stuff and about to

723
00:30:43,779 --> 00:30:41,149
leave someone asked him a question about

724
00:30:45,489 --> 00:30:43,789
homeopathic vaccinations he said that

725
00:30:47,470 --> 00:30:45,499
although he wasn't a homeopath he

726
00:30:49,210 --> 00:30:47,480
understood it worked like vaccines in

727
00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:49,220
that it contained a small amount of the

728
00:30:53,619 --> 00:30:51,950
infectious material but it was safer

729
00:30:56,859 --> 00:30:53,629
because it didn't have the toxic

730
00:30:58,810 --> 00:30:56,869
chemicals that vaccines have ironic

731
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,820
really that he said I'm not a homeopath

732
00:31:02,979 --> 00:31:00,799
because he had just stood in front of us

733
00:31:05,710 --> 00:31:02,989
for two hours spouting miss information

734
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:05,720
about vaccines and never once did he say

735
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:07,730
I'm not an immunologist or a medical

736
00:31:12,099 --> 00:31:10,369
doctor he gave medical advice to

737
00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:12,109
pregnant women and parents and much of

738
00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:13,580
it was wrong

739
00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:15,500
I guess all I can hope is that myself

740
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:17,750
and my colleague planted a seed in some

741
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:20,930
people's minds today we didn't give up

742
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:22,730
on the wakefield stuff when whiner kept

743
00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:24,770
saying it was accurate we didn't let it

744
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:26,360
go when he kept saying it was good

745
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:29,210
science he told us he updates his slides

746
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:31,130
every time he gives a talk to which I

747
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:33,530
suggested next time you do that remove

748
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:36,410
the wakefield one who knows if he will

749
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:38,510
at least he was willing to listen to our

750
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:41,210
criticisms unlike some he didn't have a

751
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:42,980
siege ected from the room as soon as we

752
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,530
started to ask questions but when

753
00:31:49,780 --> 00:31:47,600
someone who calls themselves a pediatric

754
00:31:52,270 --> 00:31:49,790
chiropractor and says homeopathic

755
00:31:54,790 --> 00:31:52,280
vaccination works and that Lancet paper

756
00:31:57,220 --> 00:31:54,800
is valid while it's time to notify the

757
00:31:59,800 --> 00:31:57,230
relevant authorities especially when

758
00:32:01,420 --> 00:31:59,810
Kim's lives are at risk you can find

759
00:32:03,970 --> 00:32:01,430
this week's episode of dr. Richie

760
00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:03,980
reports transcribed at skeptics book

761
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:07,670
calm as the Wakefield in the room and

762
00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:09,770
until next time this has been dr. Richie

763
00:32:25,030 --> 00:32:22,870
so that's why you can't eat it her I was

764
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:25,040
just talking to me shouldn't tell they

765
00:32:28,930 --> 00:32:26,030
look I'm supposed to tell you about

766
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something the cosmic tea party I new

767
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:32,630
science podcast podcast the house it at

768
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any rate it's about science and

769
00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:36,770
mathematics sounds rather dull oh hang

770
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on I open it and says here not down so

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there you have it the cosmic tea party

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podcast www cosmic Tea Party or or

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and those dulcet tones come from our

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special guest here on the think tank

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tonight ladies and gentlemen all the way

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direct well sort of direct from

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vancouver british columbia canada

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northern hemisphere and all the rest of

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it it's fred brother hello welcome to

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the think tank Fred thank you that's all

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we'll hear from Fred Fred you've been

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having a wonderful time and I'll

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introduce the other thing tankers soon

786
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basically coming out here for Tam yes

787
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but also interacting and stalking yes to

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you well I I organized the skeptics

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guide to the universe live show in

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Vancouver which also had George Rob on

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on the show and then we all flew to

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sydney together and we're here for most

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of the week before time I was here for

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Tam Australia and afterwards I followed

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George to brisbane and melbourne and

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adelaide and Canberra and now i'm back

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here in Sydney for my last few days

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before I go home that's great and cost

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afraid you're famous not only for having

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been to every SGU dinner right but for

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taking wonderful photographs around the

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place thank you even the moons of

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Jupiter I did yes I I took pictures of

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the moons of Jupiter people were

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surprised that i could do that with a

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handheld point-and-shoot camera and

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somebody who I know enjoys your

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photograph our old friend Diane hi Diane

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I Oh ee Richard I'm fine you're new with

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little nomming tonigh am one of the

811
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:38,639
little donington that's right is that

812
00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:40,889
Canadian little knowing time I'm not too

813
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:44,300
sure is it loads Victoria noise Victoria

814
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:46,740
yes I found some more little nomming

815
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:48,599
tins oh when I was with you afraid in

816
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:51,679
Victoria that's right we took a day with

817
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:54,510
brian dunning and rebecca watson and

818
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:57,930
some of the melbourne area skeptics yeah

819
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:00,180
yeah at a beautiful day at the what was

820
00:35:06,140 --> 00:35:02,460
the heels heels bill healesville

821
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:06,150
Wildlife Sanctuary yes a marvelous place

822
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:09,000
it was good and hello Jessica singer

823
00:35:12,260 --> 00:35:10,440
from the Australian skeptics committee

824
00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:12,270
and who did so much hard work

825
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:13,980
in the scenes for town Australia hi

826
00:35:18,260 --> 00:35:16,170
Richard how are you I'm fine and thank

827
00:35:19,940 --> 00:35:18,270
you for your invaluable help especially

828
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:19,950
without fabulous skeptics in the pub

829
00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:22,200
night oh it's a pleasure it was some

830
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,630
such fun to organize and I think

831
00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:26,160
everybody had a great time yeah

832
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,500
everybody wearing their yellow armbands

833
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,240
that was good fun oh such a fashion

834
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:32,640
statement they were wonderful I only

835
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:37,500
took mine off yesterday and that that

836
00:35:44,090 --> 00:35:40,530
insightful comment comes from none other

837
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:44,100
than dr. AG hi dr. H hi Richard welcome

838
00:35:47,540 --> 00:35:45,540
back to the think tank and thank you for

839
00:35:51,860 --> 00:35:47,550
your wonderful dr. ray chira ports about

840
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:51,870
Nimrod oh yeah they want the one you're

841
00:36:02,110 --> 00:35:54,330
going to record yeah nimrod wayna the

842
00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:02,120
chiropractor yeah it is it is really

843
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:05,400
named Rob wayna and wine and one else

844
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:07,410
and almost falling of your night chair

845
00:36:12,980 --> 00:36:10,380
it's joe better move hi yahaira to have

846
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:12,990
you recovered from tanya um I thought I

847
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:20,490
hadn't told her last but not least it's

848
00:36:24,590 --> 00:36:22,680
Iran segev higher inherited have you

849
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,600
recovered from Tamia I was jet-lagged

850
00:36:27,830 --> 00:36:26,640
until a couple of days ago which is kind

851
00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:27,840
of strange considering the fact that I

852
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:30,420
haven't left Sydney in months you know

853
00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:32,460
that's interesting i think i was too i

854
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:35,640
was waking up at odd hours me too me too

855
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:37,500
waking up at like three in the morning

856
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:40,110
five in the morning yeah it's the jet

857
00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:41,820
like I didn't have when coming back from

858
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:45,390
Tam in Vegas if the jet like I didn't

859
00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:47,070
have when going back going to Israel and

860
00:36:51,260 --> 00:36:49,380
back I had I definitely had it now for a

861
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:51,270
whole week just like I was tired during

862
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:54,450
the day I was awake not clearly strange

863
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,820
well it took it was a mean for the the

864
00:37:00,830 --> 00:36:59,280
four of us here and Tim mendham to not

865
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:00,840
here with us but the four of us on the

866
00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:02,700
tam committee it was a an extraordinary

867
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:04,680
time wasn't the whole I'm in leading up

868
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,060
to it was extraordinary enough but

869
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,880
actually I remember thinking when when

870
00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:10,320
Paul Willis announced that you know

871
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:13,020
welcome to Tam I thought it's it's here

872
00:37:17,780 --> 00:37:16,440
it was surreal yeah I think none of us

873
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:17,790
could wipe the greens of her faces

874
00:37:20,370 --> 00:37:18,730
dashes sort of see

875
00:37:22,349 --> 00:37:20,380
come to fruition was quite spectacular

876
00:37:24,210 --> 00:37:22,359
and then we're running around like

877
00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:24,220
purple flashes for the next three days

878
00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:27,660
yes you know enough Tinky Winky outfits

879
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,260
however I want to tell you about

880
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:31,359
something that I did this week I I'm not

881
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:32,770
sure you might need to edit it out

882
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:34,390
because they did something that would be

883
00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:36,910
considered obscene by most by far by our

884
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:38,920
standards of the last three months I

885
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:41,950
read a book no I gotta wait it that out

886
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:45,130
you don't know the whole book but I

887
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:52,770
increasingly large pile of books on the

888
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:55,450
on my bedside yeah and actually started

889
00:37:59,609 --> 00:37:57,310
reading a book good heavens running very

890
00:38:01,560 --> 00:37:59,619
fast I bought a copy this is my second

891
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:01,570
copy now flim-flam and I had Randy sign

892
00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:03,730
it for me and I realized it must be 15

893
00:38:06,359 --> 00:38:05,260
years since i've read flim-flam so

894
00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:06,369
that's what I'm going to do I'm going to

895
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:08,680
set aside some time and reread flim-flam

896
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,170
well I screamed last time last time

897
00:38:14,910 --> 00:38:13,359
perhaps on the podcast I'm not sure but

898
00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:14,920
I'd started reading fads and fallacies

899
00:38:21,210 --> 00:38:17,080
and it's been a couple of months i'm

900
00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:21,220
still reading fat since i started a new

901
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:23,320
twitter hashtag last night it's called

902
00:38:29,070 --> 00:38:27,369
life after tamale yeah cuz I what

903
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,080
yesterday I went to the hairdresser's

904
00:38:33,090 --> 00:38:31,359
and i met this really nice lady and we

905
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:33,100
had a nice little chat and then i came

906
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:34,810
home and there was a giant leaf in my

907
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,359
bathtub and i just tweeted that because

908
00:38:41,310 --> 00:38:39,280
it's just I mean that memory do that

909
00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:41,320
everyday life is everyday life again now

910
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:44,680
you know it's like how when yeah and

911
00:38:48,990 --> 00:38:46,930
then I hashtagged at life after hashtag

912
00:38:50,849 --> 00:38:49,000
Tamara's so maybe other people would

913
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,859
like to contribute to life after tamil

914
00:38:55,050 --> 00:38:53,200
if you notice in the week after term how

915
00:38:56,849 --> 00:38:55,060
many people were hashtagging tam on

916
00:38:58,980 --> 00:38:56,859
saying I'm a bit lost what's going on

917
00:39:00,540 --> 00:38:58,990
where where's then the pub night but the

918
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:00,550
damn the term was feed on Twitter's

919
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:02,530
still be going strong you're going yes

920
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:04,570
it's nice to see I actually had dinner

921
00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:05,710
with my husband and it wasn't

922
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:12,430
interrupted by a meeting on skype that's

923
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,710
been our life for the last three or four

924
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:16,720
months at least a regular meetings on

925
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,609
Tam and then stretching beyond that and

926
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:20,560
organizing and wondering if you remember

927
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,910
that meeting that the three of us had

928
00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:24,400
here in this very club about a year a

929
00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:25,230
year and

930
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:26,460
and we were setting up the program the

931
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:29,220
initial program yeah yeah even that

932
00:39:34,099 --> 00:39:31,770
meeting was like three hours was amazing

933
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:34,109
remember you and I we were doing

934
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:36,090
scouting around downtown so we could

935
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,490
make that map that was in towns with

936
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:40,320
Randy's a you're here and all there is

937
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:43,170
that and so people want to get to a go

938
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:44,640
to the internet somewhere or dog

939
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:46,619
pharmacy little things like that you

940
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,990
know maybe you want to tell the

941
00:39:53,570 --> 00:39:50,880
listeners they're pointing at jessicas

942
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:53,580
I'm sorry no audio from now oh is it

943
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:56,130
again hi Jessica thank you for your help

944
00:40:00,349 --> 00:39:58,920
again you are most welcome Richard yes

945
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:00,359
we had a good time didn't we find in

946
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:03,030
coffee shops yeah you found a very good

947
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,260
pharmacy for Tam oh wow I wonder if

948
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:09,359
anyone visited boys pharmacy during to

949
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:13,680
him tell you what I did yesterday logged

950
00:40:18,140 --> 00:40:16,920
oh my god I know he did you do haven't

951
00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:18,150
seriously i don't think i've blogged

952
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,790
about five months because even the last

953
00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:22,800
few months have just been mental but

954
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:24,300
even before that I was in the state's

955
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:26,550
three times this year and for work and

956
00:40:32,349 --> 00:40:28,890
stuff so I haven't even had time to UM

957
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:32,359
to blog so yeah that the nimrod wiener

958
00:40:39,070 --> 00:40:36,119
report I did Earl here is a root what is

959
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:39,080
funny about that it's a person's name um

960
00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:42,480
no that's the only thing that's not

961
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:44,580
depressing about his me about this guy

962
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:47,730
it read dr. Richie's blog of course dr.

963
00:40:51,530 --> 00:40:49,380
HC reports you had heard it earlier in

964
00:40:53,570 --> 00:40:51,540
the show somebody who can't be here

965
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:53,580
tonight with a funny name is out good

966
00:40:57,740 --> 00:40:56,310
friend may not and may not my my dear

967
00:41:00,020 --> 00:40:57,750
friends in the next few weeks you'll be

968
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:00,030
treated to some wonderful interviews

969
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:02,490
that may not conduct at am with james

970
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:05,730
randi dick smith yourself yourself i'm

971
00:41:09,950 --> 00:41:07,740
pointing to rachel i'm putting to Joe I

972
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:09,960
actually I listened I had a sneak

973
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:11,850
preview listens to some of the stuff

974
00:41:16,220 --> 00:41:14,040
that made us done it's just so good it's

975
00:41:19,609 --> 00:41:16,230
good he did an interview with Jay

976
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:19,619
novella and Bob lavella I don't know if

977
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:22,200
Evan was on it as well but just talking

978
00:41:26,180 --> 00:41:24,300
to them sort of off the cuff and though

979
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:26,190
not the way you hear them honest year

980
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:27,960
whether it's a bit more formal it's just

981
00:41:32,540 --> 00:41:30,690
very relaxed and he puts questions to

982
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:32,550
them that they haven't heard before so

983
00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:34,380
they've got to answer straight up and

984
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:36,390
it's right it's really really nice so

985
00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:38,530
he's just done such a great job and

986
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:39,940
I think we're going to have like a lot

987
00:41:44,670 --> 00:41:42,010
of stuff first shows coming up yeah the

988
00:41:46,350 --> 00:41:44,680
next the next week's that of the skeptic

989
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,360
zone will have wonderful interviews from

990
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:48,240
Tam conducted by main art who's

991
00:41:52,530 --> 00:41:50,950
certainly proved himself and wasn't

992
00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:52,540
necessary to be a great interview oh

993
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:55,300
yeah fantastic very lively and funny but

994
00:41:59,940 --> 00:41:56,770
insightful as well did he end up

995
00:42:01,950 --> 00:41:59,950
interviewing brian dunning yes because

996
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:01,960
he wanted to speak to local country yes

997
00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:05,530
if he and Brian a firm friends now it's

998
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:07,660
really funny but anyway may not send us

999
00:42:11,610 --> 00:42:09,490
a letter he sent us an email say sorry

1000
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:11,620
he says sorry can't make it tonight but

1001
00:42:16,740 --> 00:42:14,170
the a bee sting ABC he works for the ABC

1002
00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:16,750
the the broadcasting thinks my talents

1003
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:18,550
are best used interviewing members of

1004
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:20,050
the local clergy about the true meaning

1005
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:22,090
of Christmas I think you'd rather be

1006
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:25,690
here I'm really and I I'd like to thank

1007
00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:27,550
everybody at Taman especially all the

1008
00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:29,740
people who took time to chat into my

1009
00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:31,600
microphone you'll hear the results in

1010
00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:33,070
coming weeks on the skeptic zone as

1011
00:42:37,110 --> 00:42:35,020
we've said great the interviews with

1012
00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:37,120
dick smith and Julianne Moore morrow are

1013
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:40,420
already up at the ABC website so Google

1014
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,610
Maynard and their names and you'll find

1015
00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:45,280
it so I recommend everybody do that next

1016
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:47,740
Maynard's malaise podcasts will be out

1017
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:48,900
in the coming days and will feature

1018
00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:52,210
musical requests from Tampa participants

1019
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:55,060
all except the Polish heavy metal

1020
00:43:00,720 --> 00:42:57,490
request as I just couldn't find them

1021
00:43:02,730 --> 00:43:00,730
anywhere also in the coming weeks is a

1022
00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:02,740
very maynard christmas show on the same

1023
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:07,560
podcast feed at my website so may not

1024
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:10,390
thanks very much oh one last thing he

1025
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:14,350
says two last things zombies and some

1026
00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:17,760
zombies are science and evidence based

1027
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:21,880
okay this isn't great DB cooper is still

1028
00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:24,130
alive you of those are a real phenomenon

1029
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:25,900
that should not be dismissed out of hand

1030
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:30,180
have one on me and a drink too

1031
00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:32,040
mackay nod I think I listeners might

1032
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,070
notice there's a definite lack of the

1033
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:36,960
usual clinking that goes along with the

1034
00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:40,530
holding tank we have a private room but

1035
00:43:44,330 --> 00:43:42,750
we're not allowed to bring drinks or

1036
00:43:46,070 --> 00:43:44,340
food in here but at least it's a private

1037
00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:46,080
room and it's nice and quiet folks check

1038
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:50,750
out maynards website Manor dot-com a you

1039
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:54,330
Fred yes say something why I look for

1040
00:44:01,580 --> 00:43:59,220
another email actually fred was telling

1041
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:01,590
we had a nice walk you would mean Jamie

1042
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:03,240
the other day through the botanics and

1043
00:44:06,830 --> 00:44:05,430
you were chatting to me and I'd like you

1044
00:44:10,030 --> 00:44:06,840
to give the listeners are just a little

1045
00:44:12,110 --> 00:44:10,040
rundown of your skeptical activities in

1046
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:12,120
Vancouver especially with skeptics in

1047
00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:13,530
the pub right which sounds very

1048
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:15,390
successful to me yes I think we're doing

1049
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:17,130
well with skeptics in the pub in

1050
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,130
Vancouver we have three events a month

1051
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:23,520
going on now in the Vancouver area the

1052
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:26,760
one that I started was from about three

1053
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:29,400
and a half four years ago I created the

1054
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,230
facebook page and it's been growing

1055
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:33,420
since then we have almost three hundred

1056
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:35,610
and seventy members of that Facebook

1057
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:37,800
group and we get a good turnout every

1058
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,640
month we expanded earlier this year i

1059
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:43,680
believe to a second location inside

1060
00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:47,010
vancouver and since then cfi Vancouver

1061
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:50,280
has taken the skeptics in the pub model

1062
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:53,010
and replicated that in Richmond just

1063
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:55,140
outside Vancouver where the airport is

1064
00:45:02,710 --> 00:44:59,880
and all of those groups are having 20 40

1065
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:02,720
sometimes even 60 people come out and

1066
00:45:07,340 --> 00:45:05,250
it's going quite well now you would one

1067
00:45:10,310 --> 00:45:07,350
of the first people I think to email me

1068
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:10,320
pictures of origami Pegasus it's get the

1069
00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:12,090
job yeah that's one of the things we've

1070
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,420
done there mostly it's a social event we

1071
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:18,720
sometimes have a speaker at our skeptics

1072
00:45:26,780 --> 00:45:21,180
in the pub night sometimes I show a

1073
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:26,790
video or a tam DVD clip but mostly

1074
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:28,260
that's just for people to get together

1075
00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:31,650
and talk with like-minded skin excuse me

1076
00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:34,540
and talk with like-minded skeptics

1077
00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:37,120
there are other groups in Vancouver that

1078
00:45:41,610 --> 00:45:40,060
are doing more like scientific

1079
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:41,620
presentations there's a cafe

1080
00:45:47,810 --> 00:45:44,170
scientifique group that brings in a

1081
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:47,820
local scientist or science expert or

1082
00:45:55,850 --> 00:45:51,730
grad student to talk about their area of

1083
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:55,860
research and that's a half hour or so

1084
00:46:00,510 --> 00:45:58,210
presentation followed by questions and

1085
00:46:02,190 --> 00:46:00,520
answers from the general public so you

1086
00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:02,200
guys are really active yeah we cross

1087
00:46:08,310 --> 00:46:05,080
cross promote those activities at our

1088
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:08,320
social nights and see if I Vancouver has

1089
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:10,210
been very active over the last couple of

1090
00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:13,800
years with bringing speakers to town

1091
00:46:18,990 --> 00:46:16,630
such as Lawrence Krauss and PZ Myers

1092
00:46:21,150 --> 00:46:19,000
were a couple of the larger events we've

1093
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:21,160
had Harriet holes Harriet Hall has come

1094
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:24,300
up a couple of times to talk about

1095
00:46:28,530 --> 00:46:27,430
pseudo science and medical and wide was

1096
00:46:30,990 --> 00:46:28,540
actually telling me the other day that

1097
00:46:34,290 --> 00:46:31,000
he his own expenses flying the whole

1098
00:46:38,490 --> 00:46:34,300
skeptics own team there it was special

1099
00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:38,500
live recording I missed that memo yes it

1100
00:46:42,510 --> 00:46:40,840
was certainly um I I have a lot of good

1101
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:42,520
friends in Canada right across the whole

1102
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:46,570
country from The Skeptical world and boy

1103
00:46:49,830 --> 00:46:48,190
any time you'll want to pitch in to

1104
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:49,840
bring us over we'll be there I promise

1105
00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:51,310
you I don't care if it's in the middle

1106
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:53,080
of winter well yeah i would like to let

1107
00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:54,490
people know that if they are passing

1108
00:46:59,490 --> 00:46:57,700
through vancouver we'd be happy to put

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00:47:02,340 --> 00:46:59,500
together an impromptu skeptics in the

1110
00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:02,350
pub cfi vancouver like i said they've

1111
00:47:06,570 --> 00:47:05,080
been doing lecture series having some

1112
00:47:10,350 --> 00:47:06,580
big-name speakers come through they also

1113
00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:10,360
have a book club we they did Carl

1114
00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:12,100
Sagan's demon haunted world no I think

1115
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:13,870
it was contact was the round 10 yeah

1116
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:17,350
they did contact for November for Carl

1117
00:47:22,890 --> 00:47:21,640
Sagan day around the same time yeah so

1118
00:47:25,050 --> 00:47:22,900
we've got lots of different activities

1119
00:47:26,670 --> 00:47:25,060
for people to participate in what's the

1120
00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:26,680
best website for people to find out

1121
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:28,900
about the skeptics in the pub and what

1122
00:47:32,970 --> 00:47:30,790
you're up to is it a meet up with that

1123
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:32,980
although just Google Vancouver skeptics

1124
00:47:38,190 --> 00:47:34,710
in the pub and that would sort them out

1125
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:38,200
the group that I put out events for

1126
00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:41,050
that's on facebook if you just search on

1127
00:47:43,890 --> 00:47:42,760
facebook for vancouver skeptics in the

1128
00:47:47,549 --> 00:47:43,900
pub

1129
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:47,559
I should know the URL for that's all

1130
00:47:53,250 --> 00:47:51,730
right I don't even see if I Canada oh it

1131
00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:53,260
doesn't matter because that's why they

1132
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:55,150
invented Google so we don't have to

1133
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,450
remember URLs cfi Vancouver that should

1134
00:48:02,430 --> 00:48:00,880
should get you there yes delighted to

1135
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:02,440
know that you're so active Fred really I

1136
00:48:06,779 --> 00:48:04,089
we met each other on the amazing

1137
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:06,789
adventure to north to Alaska the crews

1138
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,950
from Vancouver up to Alaska yeah a lot

1139
00:48:14,220 --> 00:48:11,200
of fam religious James Randi was on that

1140
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:14,230
and still played rebecca watson some

1141
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:16,210
other people yes yeah Jeff wag was there

1142
00:48:20,670 --> 00:48:18,430
yes held it like a lot of our friends a

1143
00:48:22,019 --> 00:48:20,680
lot of people now I regard his friends

1144
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:22,029
who I'd never met before of course like

1145
00:48:26,730 --> 00:48:23,770
this helps yes no that was a great way

1146
00:48:28,769 --> 00:48:26,740
to get to know some of the active

1147
00:48:30,750 --> 00:48:28,779
skeptics and yeah from other parts of

1148
00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:30,760
the world that was a fantastic time

1149
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,200
that's what I like about the skeptical

1150
00:48:35,970 --> 00:48:33,520
world that the social isn't the

1151
00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:35,980
socialism a social aspect to create the

1152
00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:38,500
socializing thank you not socialism no I

1153
00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:40,630
yeah that's what we emphasize in

1154
00:48:44,430 --> 00:48:42,520
skeptics in the pub I think a lot of

1155
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:44,440
people are happy to find other people

1156
00:48:48,329 --> 00:48:46,450
who think like them or who will

1157
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,339
challenge them criticize them if they

1158
00:48:53,309 --> 00:48:50,319
disagree and yeah do it in a nice in a

1159
00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:53,319
nice way exactly sir yes can I ask

1160
00:48:57,150 --> 00:48:55,900
something with regards to skeptics in

1161
00:48:59,220 --> 00:48:57,160
the pub in Vancouver do you have a

1162
00:49:01,859 --> 00:48:59,230
speaker or is it just like because

1163
00:49:03,269 --> 00:49:01,869
there's kind of two different movements

1164
00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:03,279
I would say with the skeptics in the pub

1165
00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:05,140
is the drinking skeptically ones where

1166
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:07,660
it's just completely social nothing at

1167
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,510
all in terms of content and there's one

1168
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:12,400
with this a speaker or perhaps a debate

1169
00:49:18,690 --> 00:49:15,430
about something right ours is mostly the

1170
00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:18,700
social side we do have a time in every

1171
00:49:23,490 --> 00:49:21,670
skeptics in the pub night where we'll go

1172
00:49:25,710 --> 00:49:23,500
through a list of other upcoming events

1173
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:25,720
like cafe scientifique like CF is

1174
00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:28,329
lecture series the book club and let

1175
00:49:32,370 --> 00:49:30,460
people know about that occasionally

1176
00:49:35,279 --> 00:49:32,380
someone will have a topic that they want

1177
00:49:38,190 --> 00:49:35,289
to present on but generally it's just

1178
00:49:40,019 --> 00:49:38,200
talking / / drinks I bring some copies

1179
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:40,029
of skeptical magazines to put out on the

1180
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:42,690
out on the tables for people to look at

1181
00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:45,210
we have posters for upcoming events

1182
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:47,980
we've done a few trivia contests and

1183
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:50,250
those have been fun we

1184
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:54,630
you know we even had one open yeah we

1185
00:50:00,140 --> 00:49:57,060
had one between Edmonton and Vancouver

1186
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:00,150
and we were comparing scores with with

1187
00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:03,480
Edmonton over Skype sorry Fred I'm being

1188
00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:07,800
heckled because then they just reminded

1189
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:10,140
that my brother is in fact organizing a

1190
00:50:14,570 --> 00:50:11,730
trivia night for skeptic because I

1191
00:50:17,810 --> 00:50:14,580
completely forgot Thank You hecklers in

1192
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:17,820
the audience over the head oh that's

1193
00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:19,500
great now I've got another email just

1194
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,790
came in today and I thought I'd give it

1195
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:23,520
a quick read Jason from Fairbanks in

1196
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:25,890
Alaska speaking of North to an icicle

1197
00:50:29,570 --> 00:50:28,050
James Randi he is writing to me he

1198
00:50:31,540 --> 00:50:29,580
listened to the recent episode of the

1199
00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:31,550
skeptic zone we are I briefly mentioned

1200
00:50:36,530 --> 00:50:34,440
the bent spoon award and the runner up

1201
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:36,540
was friend Sheffield from homeopathy

1202
00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:39,440
plus and she wanted to send lots of

1203
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:42,230
homeopathic homeopathic homeopathic

1204
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,440
homeopaths I hate to Haiti and gee

1205
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:48,960
wouldn't they work well there but Jason

1206
00:50:53,540 --> 00:50:51,450
points out homeopathy does work at least

1207
00:50:55,820 --> 00:50:53,550
when it's applied to homeopaths the few

1208
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:55,830
are homeopaths per capita of sick people

1209
00:51:02,600 --> 00:50:57,420
the more likely the sick people are to

1210
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:02,610
get better Jose Jose clapping to herself

1211
00:51:06,380 --> 00:51:04,890
over there thank you Jason either that

1212
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:06,390
was quite funny can I make a comment

1213
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:09,720
about what fred was saying with the

1214
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:11,970
activism or the activity happening in

1215
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:13,740
Canada one of the things that really

1216
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:16,740
came out of the correspondence post town

1217
00:51:20,570 --> 00:51:18,510
I've noticed and you guys probably have

1218
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:20,580
to that a lot of people have been really

1219
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:24,450
motivated by yes by Tam and there's now

1220
00:51:29,350 --> 00:51:26,760
Jason Brown who is not here tonight but

1221
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:29,360
he's usually on the think tank he um

1222
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:32,070
during his skeptical activism panel he

1223
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:33,540
apparently said if I had some money I'd

1224
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:35,400
set up a skeptic camp in Sydney and

1225
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:37,530
someone through fifty dollars at him and

1226
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,740
so now he's got six months and $52

1227
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:43,680
because Travis gave him two dollars Roy

1228
00:51:47,420 --> 00:51:46,050
I drove to set up a skeptic camp in

1229
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:47,430
Sydney and he said well he said he'd do

1230
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:49,890
it so it's going to do it I was giving

1231
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,450
him some tips we've done four of them in

1232
00:51:55,110 --> 00:51:53,200
vancouver now and

1233
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,120
got some experience to share i'd be

1234
00:51:59,310 --> 00:51:57,520
happy to help yeah i'm exhausted and

1235
00:52:01,980 --> 00:51:59,320
lots of other people have said they've

1236
00:52:05,070 --> 00:52:01,990
become really motivated and Joe of you

1237
00:52:07,890 --> 00:52:05,080
um well I mean it from my own side of

1238
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:07,900
things and I haven't really gotten my

1239
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,430
wheels chained here at this move in yet

1240
00:52:13,050 --> 00:52:10,960
but one of the things that came out is I

1241
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:13,060
was approached by a number of nurses who

1242
00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:15,550
are at tam and I'm going to be setting

1243
00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:18,670
up a skeptical nurses group which is

1244
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:20,380
going to be starting out probably on

1245
00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:21,730
Facebook just so we can do a bit of

1246
00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:23,350
networking and get interesting than your

1247
00:52:27,930 --> 00:52:25,180
script achill nurses group I haven't

1248
00:52:29,310 --> 00:52:27,940
decided yet I haven't decided I wanted

1249
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:29,320
to put someone to do is the same with IT

1250
00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:31,570
people gave me feel good luck I got it

1251
00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:39,790
gonna be 64 there's no Sam SI t but

1252
00:52:43,590 --> 00:52:41,950
anyway I you know I just really want to

1253
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:43,600
start networking with the nurses out

1254
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:44,710
there because i think there's actually a

1255
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:46,810
lot more nurses out there than I

1256
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:49,690
certainly realized who have a bit of a

1257
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:51,930
skeptical mind set and we just annoyed

1258
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,210
what's going on do you think I look at

1259
00:52:59,220 --> 00:52:57,280
odd it's hard to say you know it's until

1260
00:53:00,570 --> 00:52:59,230
you really get a get in contact with

1261
00:53:02,490 --> 00:53:00,580
people it's hard to really know and you

1262
00:53:04,350 --> 00:53:02,500
can't really go from a group of four

1263
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:04,360
nurses to know whether that reflects the

1264
00:53:13,170 --> 00:53:07,450
pulse of the nursing community but the

1265
00:53:14,490 --> 00:53:13,180
mall hahahaha so yeah i'll be i'll be

1266
00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:14,500
starting out by setting up a facebook

1267
00:53:17,250 --> 00:53:15,580
group I've had a number of people

1268
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,260
contact me already and then we'll look

1269
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:18,880
at you know what we really want to do

1270
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,110
with that and where we want to take it

1271
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:22,000
but um you know I think just that that's

1272
00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:24,370
where you know I find events like town

1273
00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:26,080
are just fantastic because you just meet

1274
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:29,220
people who who you find share a similar

1275
00:53:35,070 --> 00:53:32,530
career or a similar interest or a cause

1276
00:53:37,110 --> 00:53:35,080
that you shared an interest in and

1277
00:53:38,910 --> 00:53:37,120
without having those people to network

1278
00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:38,920
with and share ideas with you're likely

1279
00:53:43,950 --> 00:53:40,270
to just sit at home thinking about I

1280
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:43,960
agree totally and I I'm really looking

1281
00:53:48,420 --> 00:53:47,110
forward to town nine I must say not not

1282
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:48,430
because I won't be running around like a

1283
00:53:52,750 --> 00:53:50,710
nut like the four of us were you know

1284
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:52,760
with our purple shirts trying to talk

1285
00:53:56,890 --> 00:53:55,010
just just to meet lots of people again

1286
00:53:59,110 --> 00:53:56,900
and you know I'm really looking forward

1287
00:54:01,210 --> 00:53:59,120
to that but but I'm really encouraged

1288
00:54:03,790 --> 00:54:01,220
about what you say Joe so if you're a

1289
00:54:06,190 --> 00:54:03,800
nurse or you know a nurse and they may

1290
00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:06,200
be a bit of a skeptical mind they can

1291
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:09,260
contact joe and her email address is Joe

1292
00:54:14,290 --> 00:54:12,710
at skeptic zone TV that's it yep and I'd

1293
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:14,300
like to hear for anyone so just get in

1294
00:54:19,150 --> 00:54:17,330
touch and we'll take it from there also

1295
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:19,160
Richard we haven't had time to blog

1296
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:21,770
about town yes but other people have and

1297
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:23,930
there's some really great blogs out

1298
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:25,730
there and articles written about the

1299
00:54:30,250 --> 00:54:28,010
weekend particularly I wanted to mention

1300
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,260
Chris Stevenson's article which came out

1301
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:33,200
today she did a great sort of

1302
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:35,930
juxtaposition of George Pell who's a

1303
00:54:41,140 --> 00:54:39,710
Catholic oh yes Archbishop in Sydney and

1304
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:41,150
apparently the same weekend that we were

1305
00:54:44,890 --> 00:54:42,770
having tam in the masonic center he was

1306
00:54:47,710 --> 00:54:44,900
in some areas Cathedral saying that

1307
00:54:49,870 --> 00:54:47,720
godless people are akin to Nazis or some

1308
00:54:51,550 --> 00:54:49,880
basically were incapable of doing good

1309
00:54:54,310 --> 00:54:51,560
really yeah we're incapable of doing

1310
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:54,320
good unlike the Catholic yeah yeah i

1311
00:54:58,570 --> 00:54:56,090
mean the hypocrisy is just astounding

1312
00:54:59,920 --> 00:54:58,580
it's like burning stupid you know chris

1313
00:55:01,900 --> 00:54:59,930
just did a fabulous job of highlighting

1314
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:01,910
you know some of the good work that was

1315
00:55:06,810 --> 00:55:04,370
being done by skeptics such as the you

1316
00:55:09,070 --> 00:55:06,820
know to stop the avian whose whole

1317
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:09,080
motivation is to protect children from

1318
00:55:16,330 --> 00:55:11,450
harm yeah and if that's you know that's

1319
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:16,340
the work of a bunch of godless yeah and

1320
00:55:21,070 --> 00:55:18,650
she also she also mentioned you Joan as

1321
00:55:23,470 --> 00:55:21,080
well and she mentioned Loretta as well

1322
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:23,480
as somebody who's you know written 800

1323
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,090
complaints about quack mmm you know

1324
00:55:30,670 --> 00:55:27,920
devices that are targeted at people with

1325
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:30,680
cancer or who have had cancer so that's

1326
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:32,930
a time online opinion com delay you

1327
00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:34,610
there's already one Christian who's

1328
00:55:38,830 --> 00:55:36,470
commented there and rapidly got slapped

1329
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:38,840
down by somebody else so I recommend you

1330
00:55:43,390 --> 00:55:40,910
look at the comments I'm also Lucas

1331
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:43,400
Randall has written Lucas Randall yeah

1332
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:45,290
another script yeah he says he's a great

1333
00:55:50,170 --> 00:55:47,810
friend about you who gave us a camera so

1334
00:55:52,450 --> 00:55:50,180
we lovely kids lovely canon camera which

1335
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:52,460
are ya equally yeah yeah so he's blogged

1336
00:55:57,820 --> 00:55:54,410
about it and New Zealand skeptic Robin

1337
00:56:00,070 --> 00:55:57,830
kappa as well I don't I can't think of

1338
00:56:01,930 --> 00:56:00,080
any more of the top of my job that if

1339
00:56:04,030 --> 00:56:01,940
people just google tam

1340
00:56:07,180 --> 00:56:04,040
Australia blog or opinion that they'll

1341
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:07,190
find something hey Ranger comments you

1342
00:56:10,990 --> 00:56:09,170
know a range of comments about tomorrow

1343
00:56:13,650 --> 00:56:11,000
and also I recommend people do a search

1344
00:56:15,730 --> 00:56:13,660
and flicker in particular um Ruth

1345
00:56:17,950 --> 00:56:15,740
Ellison's rebelliousness picture

1346
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:17,960
teachers I want you to fall under of

1347
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:19,690
course Fred Brothers pictures are just

1348
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:22,910
stupendous I haven't put them up on

1349
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,290
flickr yet but i'll try to do that it's

1350
00:56:29,940 --> 00:56:26,480
going to say can please give yeah and I

1351
00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:29,950
also just wanted to mention that I think

1352
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:32,900
kind of the vision that that we had for

1353
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,609
him at the beginning was we wanted to

1354
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:37,280
sort of brand it so that whenever you

1355
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:39,050
see photographs of it you knew it was

1356
00:56:43,420 --> 00:56:40,730
Tom Australia you know we didn't just

1357
00:56:46,660 --> 00:56:43,430
want to see a black curtain behind James

1358
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,670
Rodriguez and who's that guy well you

1359
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:48,079
know what time is and it could be at

1360
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,760
Vancouver it could be Vegas it we wanted

1361
00:56:53,890 --> 00:56:51,920
to really brand this so that people

1362
00:56:56,109 --> 00:56:53,900
would know it should be it's Sydney and

1363
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:56,119
I think if you look at some of the

1364
00:56:59,530 --> 00:56:57,650
photos you'll see that I think we really

1365
00:57:01,180 --> 00:56:59,540
achieved that anything although people

1366
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,190
were sort of laughing about us using the

1367
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:03,200
masonic center some of the pictures of

1368
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:05,839
the ceilings and the big G there's just

1369
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:07,910
stunning geo said it was stood for him

1370
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:10,160
of course yes well of course it's due to

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00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:12,890
human because it's all about him isn't

1372
00:57:18,670 --> 00:57:15,920
it just sorry just a very quick mention

1373
00:57:20,579 --> 00:57:18,680
of listeners who heard the life skeptics

1374
00:57:22,930 --> 00:57:20,589
own life from cam and we're a little bit

1375
00:57:25,420 --> 00:57:22,940
disappointed with the quality I've

1376
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:25,430
subsequently reloaded that episode with

1377
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:29,510
with proper quality proper as from the

1378
00:57:33,970 --> 00:57:31,250
microphones not from the little recorder

1379
00:57:35,710 --> 00:57:33,980
I used so we all sound very nicely like

1380
00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:35,720
intelligence and not intelligent you

1381
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:42,230
stop there awesome well we're all still

1382
00:57:46,030 --> 00:57:44,210
getting over that we but in a good way

1383
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:46,040
can I can I just say something else I

1384
00:57:51,339 --> 00:57:48,260
think the responses i got from a lot of

1385
00:57:53,140 --> 00:57:51,349
the speakers really blew me away and I

1386
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:53,150
shared a cab home with Paul Willis on a

1387
00:57:57,370 --> 00:57:55,010
couple of nights because we live down

1388
00:57:58,780 --> 00:57:57,380
the road where each other omc yeah and

1389
00:58:01,390 --> 00:57:58,790
the last time he was kind of involved

1390
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:01,400
with Australian skeptics was maybe two

1391
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:03,210
or three years ago

1392
00:58:08,570 --> 00:58:05,700
he was blown away by the sheen by the

1393
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:08,580
change but also the positive change you

1394
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:11,010
know he said everything that he saw that

1395
00:58:15,020 --> 00:58:13,260
weekend was about doing things as a

1396
00:58:18,260 --> 00:58:15,030
group to get positive change whether

1397
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:18,270
that's the avian or Loretta Simon Singh

1398
00:58:24,140 --> 00:58:21,720
and so he really came away from that

1399
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:24,150
inspired and in fact inspired enough

1400
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:28,980
Richard that he is now on Twitter and he

1401
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:31,530
said to me he would never go on Twitter

1402
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:33,180
because it's a waste of time and what

1403
00:58:37,790 --> 00:58:35,400
does it mean and what's it about but he

1404
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:37,800
is now on Twitter it's some hustle Crocs

1405
00:58:44,329 --> 00:58:40,050
it's not fossil Crocs yeah with an ex

1406
00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:44,339
he's a and he's daddy cook it up I have

1407
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:46,440
to say actually that one of my you know

1408
00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:47,910
when I think back on the weekend and

1409
00:58:52,579 --> 00:58:50,310
about my favorite moments other people

1410
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:52,589
actually got to watch this but one of my

1411
00:58:57,470 --> 00:58:55,170
favorite moments that town was being

1412
00:59:01,540 --> 00:58:57,480
sent down to chinatown by paul willis to

1413
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:04,099
which I you know those of you who were

1414
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:07,050
there will and sort will have seen Paul

1415
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,310
dismember dark to demonstrate how a duck

1416
00:59:14,930 --> 00:59:13,200
is a dinosaur and you know one day where

1417
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:14,940
the DVD comes out I'm sure you'll all be

1418
00:59:19,579 --> 00:59:17,520
able to I I mr. sense because i was i

1419
00:59:22,839 --> 00:59:19,589
was busy myself but i'm very much

1420
00:59:26,060 --> 00:59:22,849
looking forward to that if I to in

1421
00:59:27,530 --> 00:59:26,070
sounds a bit indulgent but I think one

1422
00:59:30,740 --> 00:59:27,540
of the last thing things I remember of

1423
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:30,750
Tam was it sounds a bit funny to say my

1424
00:59:36,050 --> 00:59:33,180
talk but only because I was doing with

1425
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:36,060
George Robin and I was just such a

1426
00:59:39,859 --> 00:59:37,770
pleasure to share the stage of George

1427
00:59:42,109 --> 00:59:39,869
her up he was so funny i was in stitches

1428
00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:42,119
up there so that was a great little

1429
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,740
memory for me to take away from dem

1430
00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:45,599
australia for me i think one of the

1431
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:50,700
highlights has to be the quiz just let

1432
00:59:54,050 --> 00:59:52,380
me tell this is how that happened

1433
00:59:55,790 --> 00:59:54,060
because in fact that wasn't on the

1434
00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:55,800
program because we had a speaker drop

1435
01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:58,440
out and it was probably about two

1436
01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:01,380
minutes before that started that Rebecca

1437
01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:03,240
said she was going to do the Twitter

1438
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:05,640
tweets and I thought I knew that

1439
01:00:09,140 --> 01:00:07,530
actually there's only you could only

1440
01:00:12,020 --> 01:00:09,150
have a hundred connections in that room

1441
01:00:14,089 --> 01:00:12,030
before the internet would break and so

1442
01:00:16,130 --> 01:00:14,099
literally maybe two minutes before it

1443
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:16,140
started I went up to Carlow who's the AV

1444
01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:17,010
guy and I said

1445
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:19,380
can you somehow make it so that

1446
01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:20,850
Rebecca's tweets to him doesn't break

1447
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:22,470
because that's really important everyone

1448
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:24,690
else's is we'd rather it didn't but it's

1449
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:28,170
not so critical and he tethered his

1450
01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:31,920
phone to her laptop in about 20 seconds

1451
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:33,720
really just before we started so that

1452
01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:35,610
she would have a completely safe

1453
01:00:39,290 --> 01:00:36,990
internet connection I didn't know that

1454
01:00:40,790 --> 01:00:39,300
you know not many people know that and I

1455
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:40,800
was and I was sitting there because I

1456
01:00:44,420 --> 01:00:43,170
thought God if this crash is halfway

1457
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:44,430
through I'm gonna it's going to be

1458
01:00:48,290 --> 01:00:45,900
really bad so I just wait color color

1459
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:48,300
color is like right fixed done well I

1460
01:00:52,340 --> 01:00:50,370
think I think on that note I think you

1461
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:52,350
know we we all know what the word for

1462
01:01:04,160 --> 01:00:54,330
the weekend was it Tam thanks see

1463
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:04,170
Rebecca's Twitter feeds today I think I

1464
01:01:10,820 --> 01:01:06,450
yesterday just like old times sake just

1465
01:01:15,290 --> 01:01:10,830
beads tomorrow do you want to explain to

1466
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,300
the listeners job that was you know well

1467
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:17,280
of course as for those of you who

1468
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:18,330
weren't there what happened with

1469
01:01:23,090 --> 01:01:20,610
Rebecca's quiz was she had a panel which

1470
01:01:25,790 --> 01:01:23,100
was mostly s to you in Jeju around and

1471
01:01:27,470 --> 01:01:25,800
then she would ask questions of the

1472
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:27,480
panel and the audience and the panel

1473
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:29,250
carts are just by speaking into the mic

1474
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:30,810
I know they had had to go through Jo

1475
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,510
only Gio was a literal so they could

1476
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,520
discuss amongst themselves an NGO wen

1477
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:37,200
answer and the audience would just tweet

1478
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:39,210
the answers and Rebecca had a tweetdeck

1479
01:01:43,820 --> 01:01:41,370
column on the big screen so of course

1480
01:01:45,620 --> 01:01:43,830
before we even started people were just

1481
01:01:48,860 --> 01:01:45,630
saying hi mum testing and then someone

1482
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,870
said boobs someone else was saying but

1483
01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:50,640
the thing that was so funny about it was

1484
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:52,440
for example one of the questions was

1485
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:53,640
something like what's the most dangerous

1486
01:01:58,250 --> 01:01:55,890
animal animal that causes the most

1487
01:02:02,600 --> 01:01:58,260
deaths in Australia or something so

1488
01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:02,610
there was like Meryl dory Tony Abbott

1489
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:07,590
and limbs so the audience was just in

1490
01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:09,510
raptures just looking at the screen let

1491
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:11,640
alone oh yeah because it there'd be this

1492
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:14,970
sort of suspenseful pause as Rebecca

1493
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,210
read out the question of explosion as

1494
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:20,400
you get these ridiculous answers and

1495
01:02:24,350 --> 01:02:22,110
obviously some correct dozens and then

1496
01:02:26,060 --> 01:02:24,360
there was like drop is yeah yeah you

1497
01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:26,070
know what the hoop snake and stuff it's

1498
01:02:30,740 --> 01:02:28,500
just completely made up it was it was

1499
01:02:32,510 --> 01:02:30,750
I mean Rob would just yeah it was

1500
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:32,520
hilarious I think like at randall wrote

1501
01:02:36,860 --> 01:02:35,370
that he had a hernia and in fact you

1502
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:36,870
know he wrote on one of his blogs that

1503
01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:38,730
the guy in front of him got up and left

1504
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:42,560
because lucas was laughing too now say

1505
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:45,390
but that was just I think it's gonna be

1506
01:02:49,310 --> 01:02:47,760
any highlight for every time I what

1507
01:02:56,330 --> 01:02:49,320
about Diane and Jessica or your

1508
01:02:58,820 --> 01:02:56,340
highlights dead silence first well I I

1509
01:03:01,850 --> 01:02:58,830
really really loved Pamela guys talk oh

1510
01:03:04,820 --> 01:03:01,860
I missed that I thought it was some I

1511
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:04,830
thought it was great and she was talking

1512
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:10,160
about these citizen science projects and

1513
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:14,040
it was just fantastic yeah yeah yeah

1514
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,260
I've seen Pamela talk yeah before and I

1515
01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:18,000
can't wait to see this on the DVD and

1516
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:21,420
she's wonderful one yes yes i think i

1517
01:03:25,940 --> 01:03:23,970
went to pretty much all the talks but

1518
01:03:27,380 --> 01:03:25,950
i'm really looking to seeing looking

1519
01:03:31,220 --> 01:03:27,390
forward to seeing the parallel sessions

1520
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:31,230
that I didn't see on the DVD did you get

1521
01:03:36,170 --> 01:03:33,810
too many of those Diane I but to some of

1522
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,180
them but my highlight was really dr.

1523
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:38,880
calc whistle Nikki's chill no it was so

1524
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,910
for the full of a tooth enthusiasm and

1525
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:43,680
energy and I think that was one of the

1526
01:03:49,850 --> 01:03:46,380
highlights for me yeah Brett yes well

1527
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:49,860
yeah I heard a lot of Australian

1528
01:03:55,730 --> 01:03:51,450
speakers that I didn't know of before

1529
01:03:57,890 --> 01:03:55,740
dr. Carl Rob Rob Larson oh yes great

1530
01:03:59,570 --> 01:03:57,900
wasn't he great they were I wasn't

1531
01:04:01,760 --> 01:03:59,580
familiar with them from before so it was

1532
01:04:04,370 --> 01:04:01,770
completely new to me I thought the

1533
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:04,380
harbor cruise was a great experience it

1534
01:04:15,140 --> 01:04:06,450
was beautiful scenery a great bunch of

1535
01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:15,150
people open bar a good thing my personal

1536
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:17,430
highlight was on the last three hours of

1537
01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:21,810
sunday i had about well in excess of 50

1538
01:04:26,810 --> 01:04:25,470
people come to me personally some of

1539
01:04:28,370 --> 01:04:26,820
them were just standing aside while i

1540
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:28,380
was talking to somebody else and then

1541
01:04:31,940 --> 01:04:29,910
waited until there was a moment and just

1542
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:31,950
shook my hand and said thank you it has

1543
01:04:37,790 --> 01:04:35,640
been absolutely fantastic or later on

1544
01:04:40,940 --> 01:04:37,800
some people who wrote that probably got

1545
01:04:41,300 --> 01:04:40,950
so far something like 70 or 80 emails I

1546
01:04:44,180 --> 01:04:41,310
have to

1547
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:44,190
to my personal email from people saying

1548
01:04:48,050 --> 01:04:46,290
the same thing people saying look I

1549
01:04:49,820 --> 01:04:48,060
stood there on Sunday wanting to say

1550
01:04:52,820 --> 01:04:49,830
something but you're busy talking to

1551
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:52,830
lots of other people and and then

1552
01:04:57,140 --> 01:04:55,170
there's the two things that two speakers

1553
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:57,150
said that really struck a chord with me

1554
01:05:01,340 --> 01:04:59,520
one was in the after in the cold air an

1555
01:05:04,730 --> 01:05:01,350
event that we had four speakers after

1556
01:05:07,940 --> 01:05:04,740
town Pamela said that each changed her

1557
01:05:11,180 --> 01:05:07,950
view of skeptical events and the

1558
01:05:14,330 --> 01:05:11,190
positive message the positive attitude

1559
01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:14,340
the variety of different topics covered

1560
01:05:18,890 --> 01:05:16,220
the fact that it was not just about

1561
01:05:20,540 --> 01:05:18,900
hardcore skepticism more about anything

1562
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:20,550
in particular that he was a kind just

1563
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:23,370
general things they're interested she

1564
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:25,680
said that that's really changed the way

1565
01:05:31,820 --> 01:05:28,530
she perceives this kind of event and Rob

1566
01:05:36,410 --> 01:05:31,830
Morrison who said who sent me an email

1567
01:05:38,450 --> 01:05:36,420
saying thanks to the thanks of the

1568
01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:38,460
entire time team I meant what I said

1569
01:05:44,290 --> 01:05:40,260
from the stage I have never enjoyed a

1570
01:05:46,730 --> 01:05:44,300
conference more so you know that's that

1571
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:46,740
that's it that's that's right that's

1572
01:05:51,590 --> 01:05:48,710
what you do some things like that for

1573
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:51,600
yeah well Rob Morrison was heckling from

1574
01:05:57,620 --> 01:05:55,530
side of the stage say that was also one

1575
01:06:00,740 --> 01:05:57,630
of my highlights because you know I came

1576
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:00,750
to Australia when I was 10 10 years old

1577
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:02,910
in there in the mid 80s and one of my

1578
01:06:07,850 --> 01:06:05,610
earliest experiences of australia was of

1579
01:06:11,450 --> 01:06:07,860
watching rob morrison and the curiosity

1580
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:11,460
show you so it was like for me you know

1581
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:14,250
i felt like a kid again standing next to

1582
01:06:18,830 --> 01:06:15,930
rob morrison he's incredibly tall yeah

1583
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:18,840
and and just sort of reliving my

1584
01:06:22,550 --> 01:06:20,610
childhood and that was for me one of my

1585
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:22,560
highlights but he had a wonderful talk

1586
01:06:28,250 --> 01:06:25,650
yeah oh he's and and just lovely he's a

1587
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:28,260
lovely lovely man and we are you and I

1588
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:29,910
had tried the pleasure of visiting his

1589
01:06:36,020 --> 01:06:33,210
house a year or so ago yeah and it gave

1590
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:36,030
us a dozen chicken eggs you did that's

1591
01:06:41,780 --> 01:06:39,690
how I joke that's how nice and it well

1592
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:41,790
folks as I saying we will never forget

1593
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:44,370
tam Australia that's for sure I'm

1594
01:06:46,070 --> 01:06:45,720
looking forward to the next town and

1595
01:06:48,650 --> 01:06:46,080
loss

1596
01:06:50,540 --> 01:06:48,660
Vegas to see all our friends again we

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can't clink our glasses because we

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weren't allowed to bring them into the

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room but I'd like to say thank you one

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and all for joining me tonight anything

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down thank you everybody my glasses put

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astronomy cast it takes a fact space

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journey through the cosmos as it offers

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listeners weekly discussions on

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astronomical topics ranging from planets

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to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of

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Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela gay

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of southern illinois university

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edwardsville this show brings the

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questions of an avid astronomy lover

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directly to an astronomer together

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Fraser and I explore what is known and

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being discovered about the universe

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around us join us each week as we take a

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fact space journey through the cosmos at

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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Zone episode 112 and as always as always

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a big thank you to those people kind

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enough to donate to the skeptic zone to

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much coffee for a dollar hmm well until

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next week's show this is Richard sona's

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signing off from San Francisco

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California you've been listening to the

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skeptic zone visit our website at wwc a